Does anybody seem to think it is Christ and the Bible that is the real issue?

There are other observances (acknowlegements) that take place in the public school that have references to other religions. How about Thanksgiving or even Halloween? Could that be construed as having a relious flavor? What about the study or reading of Muslim material. We hear of that being done in schools, with little or no objection. What about the emphasis on Earth Day- Mother Earth? There are some people that worship the creation. Does that have a religious flavor? Should any or all of it be allowed?

Merry Christmas
preacherman

Jesus was a radical rabbi who had no idea that some A type personalities were going to use his bio to set up an organized religion. Except for the crusades and the spanish Inquisition, christianity was used as a civilizing force;(even that is arguable)

Jesus was a radical rabbi who had no idea that some A type personalities were going to use his bio to set up an organized religion.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Jesus called 12 leaders, taught them his "radical" gospel, then charged them to go teach the world (or am I misreading "If you love me, feed my sheep" ?).

Not really trying to get into a Bible Bash here, but I've heard that concept before and to me it just doesn't seem to fit with scripture. Just interested to read your thoughts behind it. Because this is straying from the intent of this article, feel free to Email me directly if you want: ParaTed2k@yahoo.com

good king sauerkraut
looked out on his feets uneven.
saw his nose a-runnin round
snifflin and a-sneezin 
          one of several yuletime carols performed by pogo & his swampulist associates
           lyrics by walt kelley, pogo's creator.

Damn, I think christmas in today's age and time is nothing more than a commercial holiday and to check out how much 'others' love me or not; cynical damn straight, never here about Christ during the holiday at anytime even when I was at gatherings from friends who were a little bit more 'christian." Although, last year during a toy drive someone 'forced' me to look into giving (damn, looked at a christmas tree with all those little hands); so that felt good but you don't really hear about that on christmas.


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typical comment I suppose: after christmas,
What I got a sweater?
You cheap bastard!

Ahhh... good old Nietsche quote:
"There was only one true christian and he died on the cross"

Believe that was it word for word; some common misconceptions was that Nietsche was an atheist but really he was agnostic; sort of Dyonesian in philosophy (although I guess he was anti-drinking) which sort of falls out since the god dyonisus was the god of wine or some such; mostly, I think religion was supposed to be a celebration of life; actions in orthopraxy not what it has been turned into by others within orthodoxy (rules; etc.). So giving is good; preaching about being good and doing nothing is bad. Dancing, celebrating life is also good. Can agree with that.
Oddly enough, ideotrope|One True Christian

/had a class 'the question of god" which is still stuck in my head on this topic.

I mention Jesus Christ everyday...

When I stub my toe on the door....
When I jam my fingers in the drawer....
When I trip over the cat....

Should I be censored....?

that isn't my point wise ass...i'm saying isn't christmas a religious holiday?

that isn't my point wise ass...i'm saying isn't christmas a religious holiday?

I thought it was the night a fat dude in a red suit tried to cram his ass down my chimney....

So who the !@#$ have I been leaving cookies for all these years? Better yet who is eating them? Think of it this way....what is "Christian" about a bunch of kids tearing apart diligently wrapped assortments with the tenacity of a Bulldozer and then squabble over "he got a bigger one than me" all night long.

the concept of santa should be found in your heart....apparently yours is stuck in between your ass cheeks...

I think there is moderate backlash against the comercialism of Christmas. I know some families (albiet not many) who've given up on gift-buying all together. They just celebrate the gift of God and enjoy His blessings... meditate on the meaning of the season... do family things. It's stress-free. I love that. I love it up to my eyeballs. What a completely grand idea.

Ergo: if we're going to get so defensive about having people take "Christ out of Christmas" shouldn't "we" (whoever we are) then be on the offensive line and be taking the commercialism out of Christmas? Don't just be passive and whiny about it. Don't feed the beast.

On a related note, a student of mine stayed in my class during lunch, reluctant to leave. He knew my heart was full of love for God. (I try to be different. It's a requisite, right?) He asked me spiritual questions and wanted to make Christ his King -- he wanted redemption and accepted God's Gift this holiday season. If that's not what Christmas is about, I don't know what it's about. When was your last encounter with our Holy God? When did you last drop your guard, soften your heart toward Him, and ask some questions?

Wouldn't it actually be better if we did celebrate his death too? Born in October? That's great! Celebrate in Decmber because of the fact that some pagan groups had it as a date of meaning on their calender? So what?!!!

Now celebrate His death would be a real event because of what it means. The ultimate marter story saving all of mankind. Can you imagine if we gave gifts, saw family and friends and had special meetings with long lost loved ones?

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I'm so sick of all of this "you can't sing f'ing Christmas charols in schools, or say the pledge of allegence or teach the mother f'ing declaration of independence" cause it "offends" some people. I am personally offended by all of these people being offended by everything. When do I get to make a rule that says "you can't be offended by anything anymore cause you're offending me by being offended on such picky issues!" My brother is now a lawyer, I think he and I should get together and start suing all the people that are offending me by being offended. If someone doesn't take a stand and stop all this crap, I think my head might explode.

That's my two cents anyways.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

The real crux of the matter is Christ and the Bible...... that is the real issue?

There are other observances (acknowlegements) that take place in the public school that have references to other religions. How about Thanksgiving or even Halloween? Could that be construed as having a relious flavor? What about the study or reading of Muslim material. We hear of that being done in schools, with little or no objection. What about the emphasis on Earth Day- Mother Earth? There are some people that worship the creation. Does that have a religious flavor? Should any or all of it be allowed?

Merry Christmas
preacherman

A good many people would like Christmas to have some religious significance for them. But while they pay a lot of attention and effort to the social and domestic aspects of Christmas, not much preparation goes into the spiritual aspect. The wise men, Simeon, Hannah and of course Mary prepared for Christmas in different ways; and they experienced Christ when he arrived. If we too could take adavantage of the waiting period, traditionally called Advent, Christmas might become more meaningful to our spirits too.
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